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		<title>By: Shannon</title>
		<link>http://shannonstacey.com/2009/08/ratings-for-romances-yay-or-nay/comment-page-1/#comment-8371</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the comment I just posted on Dear Author. (Jane mentioned this post on her blog, so I&#039;m kind of straddling two conversations.)

(Comment from Jane) &lt;em&gt;@Shannon Stacey: I think the editor has to be responsible for rating each one of his or her books. They are in the best position to know the content and â€œheatâ€ level. Itâ€™s not that I endorse ratings per se, itâ€™s just that I see them as inevitable and would like those that are intimately acquainted with the book assign the rating instead of some algorithm based on use of certain words.&lt;/em&gt;

I agree the editor would be the best person to rate each book, though I worry about that having consistency across publishers. I&#039;m sure readers would catch on pretty quickly, though, to how publishers judged their own books. A content label, such as Samhain uses, would probably be the easiest system to implement for readers, but I&#039;m not sure that would work for booksellers. (I seem to recall an early Aphrodisia title having a small warning as to the explicitness of the sex at the bottom of the back cover, but don&#039;t quote me on that. I remember the warning, but I can&#039;t swear it was an Aphrodisia.)

I&#039;d like to deny ratings are inevitable, but I remember being a little surprised recently to see a mass market by a well-known erotic romance writer (whose sex scenes raise eyebrows) on the shelf at Walmart. I thought, at the time, that there was no way in hell anybody at the home office had ever read that author. Then I wondered how many women not accustomed to finding erotic romances at Walmart wrote nastygrams to the company. With the kinkier/more explicit stuff being published in mainstream mass market romance now, I can definitely see retailers wanting some kind of a rating from the publisher.

Sadly, there&#039;s a good chance that will lead to retailers such as Walmart not buying certain ratings at all and Borders/etc shelving them separately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the comment I just posted on Dear Author. (Jane mentioned this post on her blog, so I&#8217;m kind of straddling two conversations.)</p>
<p>(Comment from Jane) <em>@Shannon Stacey: I think the editor has to be responsible for rating each one of his or her books. They are in the best position to know the content and â€œheatâ€ level. Itâ€™s not that I endorse ratings per se, itâ€™s just that I see them as inevitable and would like those that are intimately acquainted with the book assign the rating instead of some algorithm based on use of certain words.</em></p>
<p>I agree the editor would be the best person to rate each book, though I worry about that having consistency across publishers. I&#8217;m sure readers would catch on pretty quickly, though, to how publishers judged their own books. A content label, such as Samhain uses, would probably be the easiest system to implement for readers, but I&#8217;m not sure that would work for booksellers. (I seem to recall an early Aphrodisia title having a small warning as to the explicitness of the sex at the bottom of the back cover, but don&#8217;t quote me on that. I remember the warning, but I can&#8217;t swear it was an Aphrodisia.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to deny ratings are inevitable, but I remember being a little surprised recently to see a mass market by a well-known erotic romance writer (whose sex scenes raise eyebrows) on the shelf at Walmart. I thought, at the time, that there was no way in hell anybody at the home office had ever read that author. Then I wondered how many women not accustomed to finding erotic romances at Walmart wrote nastygrams to the company. With the kinkier/more explicit stuff being published in mainstream mass market romance now, I can definitely see retailers wanting some kind of a rating from the publisher.</p>
<p>Sadly, there&#8217;s a good chance that will lead to retailers such as Walmart not buying certain ratings at all and Borders/etc shelving them separately.</p>
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		<title>By: Edie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:gaah:
Please ignore the earlier post lol, I think I was asleep when I was reading through your post, and my reply was more leaning towards content classification rather than a heat rating.
Though reading mainly e-pub for the last year or so, I have gotten relatively used to heat ratings and warnings.</description>
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Please ignore the earlier post lol, I think I was asleep when I was reading through your post, and my reply was more leaning towards content classification rather than a heat rating.<br />
Though reading mainly e-pub for the last year or so, I have gotten relatively used to heat ratings and warnings.</p>
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		<title>By: Edie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 03:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think some form of labelling is needed, sometimes a blurb is just not clear enough and one needs slightly more information.  not one with set rules maybe as that is where pigeon holes come in, but I really like Samhains warning labels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think some form of labelling is needed, sometimes a blurb is just not clear enough and one needs slightly more information.  not one with set rules maybe as that is where pigeon holes come in, but I really like Samhains warning labels.</p>
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		<title>By: Maris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 03:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like some type of labeling, because I tend to like steamier books. So if a book has a two sentence love scene, I want to know, because unless the writer is highly recommended, I might skip it.
Also, I&#039;m not a huge fan of f/m/f for example, so if it has that type of scenario, I&#039;d like to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like some type of labeling, because I tend to like steamier books. So if a book has a two sentence love scene, I want to know, because unless the writer is highly recommended, I might skip it.<br />
Also, I&#8217;m not a huge fan of f/m/f for example, so if it has that type of scenario, I&#8217;d like to know.</p>
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		<title>By: Missy Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Missy Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I promise you a rating system will be used to rate m/m &amp; f/f stories (and I mean any book that dares to portray homosexuals as anything less than pure evil) as adult and have them hidden behind the counter in the stores that will even be willing to stock them.

I read absolutely everything I could get my hands on by the time I was 12. And yes there was plenty that many people would consider outrageous for a child. But I didn&#039;t turn into a gay nymphomaniac serial ax murdering tax dodging welfare cheat.

You want to know what your kid is reading? Read it first. And if you can&#039;t tell your kid no and make it stick you shouldn&#039;t be a parent in the first place. (says the mom of a 12 year old who is pulling her hair out over tween attitude)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I promise you a rating system will be used to rate m/m &amp; f/f stories (and I mean any book that dares to portray homosexuals as anything less than pure evil) as adult and have them hidden behind the counter in the stores that will even be willing to stock them.</p>
<p>I read absolutely everything I could get my hands on by the time I was 12. And yes there was plenty that many people would consider outrageous for a child. But I didn&#8217;t turn into a gay nymphomaniac serial ax murdering tax dodging welfare cheat.</p>
<p>You want to know what your kid is reading? Read it first. And if you can&#8217;t tell your kid no and make it stick you shouldn&#8217;t be a parent in the first place. (says the mom of a 12 year old who is pulling her hair out over tween attitude)</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t personally see it as a step in censorship&#039;s direction, but it IS something that could be used that way. If a bookseller decides not to stock four or more flames, those books get squashed.

I admit there are times I wish all books used Samhain&#039;s warning labels, as mentioned above, but I&#039;m not sure how that would be implemented. On a publisher level, I guess, but one pub&#039;s hot is another&#039;s extreme.

Hopefully All Romance will tell us how they assign the heat rating. I&#039;m interested to know how that works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t personally see it as a step in censorship&#8217;s direction, but it IS something that could be used that way. If a bookseller decides not to stock four or more flames, those books get squashed.</p>
<p>I admit there are times I wish all books used Samhain&#8217;s warning labels, as mentioned above, but I&#8217;m not sure how that would be implemented. On a publisher level, I guess, but one pub&#8217;s hot is another&#8217;s extreme.</p>
<p>Hopefully All Romance will tell us how they assign the heat rating. I&#8217;m interested to know how that works.</p>
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		<title>By: KF Zuzulo</title>
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		<dc:creator>KF Zuzulo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:clap:
All good points.  And rating the heat level of romances is a hot &amp; sticky topic.  I never mention censorship in my original post over at the Daily Dose.  To liken my call for a heat rating to censorship is like saying that the heat description on a jar of salsa is censorship.  Such info just provides a gauge so that I can make a more informed decision about the purchase.  I&#039;m going to read the cover copy and a couple of blurbs about the book before I buy anyway.  However, I&#039;ve been burned lately (no pun intended) because many reviewers make no mention of how hot the sex is in many books or if implements are used or multiple people participating, etc.
My suggestion is not intended either to be anything like the MPAA ratings which actually regulate who can see a movie.  Consider it more like rating the alcohol content of beer, wine, and liquor.  I want to know how drunk I&#039;m going to get if I have a martini as opposed to a glass of wine.  To do that for sex level in books is definitely difficult.  Impractical; maybe.  But, again, I point to All Romance and their system.  It&#039;s helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:clap:<br />
All good points.  And rating the heat level of romances is a hot &amp; sticky topic.  I never mention censorship in my original post over at the Daily Dose.  To liken my call for a heat rating to censorship is like saying that the heat description on a jar of salsa is censorship.  Such info just provides a gauge so that I can make a more informed decision about the purchase.  I&#8217;m going to read the cover copy and a couple of blurbs about the book before I buy anyway.  However, I&#8217;ve been burned lately (no pun intended) because many reviewers make no mention of how hot the sex is in many books or if implements are used or multiple people participating, etc.<br />
My suggestion is not intended either to be anything like the MPAA ratings which actually regulate who can see a movie.  Consider it more like rating the alcohol content of beer, wine, and liquor.  I want to know how drunk I&#8217;m going to get if I have a martini as opposed to a glass of wine.  To do that for sex level in books is definitely difficult.  Impractical; maybe.  But, again, I point to All Romance and their system.  It&#8217;s helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Bev Stephans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bev Stephans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anything that smacks of censorship should be avoided at all cost.  Charlene makes a good point about men&#039;s novels.  Jaci makes a good point about how the ratings can vary from person to person.

When my 2 boys were growing up, I allowed them to read anything in the house.  I never imposed censorship on their reading material.  A few times, my eldest son would ask me about a book and I would tell him he might want to read it when he was older, but if he went ahead and read it, that was ok.

I can see rating the romance genre getting totally out of hand.  Please, no ratings!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anything that smacks of censorship should be avoided at all cost.  Charlene makes a good point about men&#8217;s novels.  Jaci makes a good point about how the ratings can vary from person to person.</p>
<p>When my 2 boys were growing up, I allowed them to read anything in the house.  I never imposed censorship on their reading material.  A few times, my eldest son would ask me about a book and I would tell him he might want to read it when he was older, but if he went ahead and read it, that was ok.</p>
<p>I can see rating the romance genre getting totally out of hand.  Please, no ratings!</p>
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		<title>By: Charlene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m against it. Mostly because romances are geared to grown readers, not kids, and I don&#039;t need to be protected from my reading material, thanks very much. Also this gives legitimacy to the romance as porn accusation, and while I&#039;ve seen stuff in romance that did raise my gag reflex, that&#039;s a rare, rare exception. And honestly I can usually tell if something is to my taste by a. the cover b. the title c. the blurb and d. reading a page or two from anywhere inside the book.

Also, at the risk of repeating myself from a few years ago when this surfaced, you don&#039;t see groups crying out to rate men&#039;s novels on the grounds that some of them are too offensive and might overset their delicate sensibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m against it. Mostly because romances are geared to grown readers, not kids, and I don&#8217;t need to be protected from my reading material, thanks very much. Also this gives legitimacy to the romance as porn accusation, and while I&#8217;ve seen stuff in romance that did raise my gag reflex, that&#8217;s a rare, rare exception. And honestly I can usually tell if something is to my taste by a. the cover b. the title c. the blurb and d. reading a page or two from anywhere inside the book.</p>
<p>Also, at the risk of repeating myself from a few years ago when this surfaced, you don&#8217;t see groups crying out to rate men&#8217;s novels on the grounds that some of them are too offensive and might overset their delicate sensibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: TAMARA HOLBERT</title>
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		<dc:creator>TAMARA HOLBERT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You all make very good points. I think the rating system should be left up to the publisher (eg. Samhain)I personally like the ratings that read  &quot;WARNING this book contains M/F/M and hot monkey love&quot; !! I think those are a hoot!! :lmao:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You all make very good points. I think the rating system should be left up to the publisher (eg. Samhain)I personally like the ratings that read  &#8220;WARNING this book contains M/F/M and hot monkey love&#8221; !! I think those are a hoot!! :lmao:</p>
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